tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11602875.post494863209473668445..comments2024-03-27T12:56:29.650-04:00Comments on Colorless Green Ideas: The Vice Presidential DebateturnerBroadcastinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09966930351554884742noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11602875.post-52435174171947988942008-10-03T10:58:00.000-04:002008-10-03T10:58:00.000-04:00No. Biden's question was spot on and Palin's quest...No. Biden's question was spot on and Palin's question was ad hoc ergo propter hoc. <BR/><BR/>Actually, the short answer is . I remember a cool special we watched once in High School during Social Studies. (I got an A)<BR/><BR/>They rolled in the TV for a documentary on "how the constitution was written".<BR/>Well. The first vice president walked in, after we had defeated king GEORGE and the fires of the war were just dying down.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Well. The Vice President stood over the senate, and tried to make the senate work the way he wanted to. Finally, they just asked him to sit down. And it was decided amongst our founding fathers that , such an office would be ceremonial. <BR/><BR/>And so it is. Until. The Bush Republicans.<BR/><BR/>You can skip this part if you like. IF you're a bush republican, you're probably not interested in it.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Cheney radically altered the office of the vice presidency. He made, in my view and many others a sort of 'CEO' position out of it, where he bullied other agencies and tirelessly worked to create more bureaucracy.<BR/><BR/>Case in point, when there was no compelling data to suggest we would need to go to war with Iraq, Cheney used the office of the Vice Presidency to create a new bureau of intelligence. Under Dick Cheney, CIA operatives that disagreed with him were betrayed.<BR/>Under Dick Cheney, the energy policy meetings were held with top executives from big oil and he arbitrarily granted himself the right to simply ignore judicial subpoena to produce the records of the meetings.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Treason. Unbridled expansion of bureaucracy. Corruption.<BR/><BR/>A radically altered vice presidency. Dick Cheney was and is the most toxic vice president in the history of the United States.<BR/><BR/>And the Unitary Executive issue is in fact, the most important issue of the race. Because thanks to Bush Republicans such as yourself, the white house now simply ignores parts of bills that make it to its desk. And they spy on Americans without cause or due process.<BR/><BR/>What I found, when I read the constitution of the united states, which I, as a military man - am sworn to defend and protect.<BR/><BR/>Was this. A balance of powers between Judiciary, Legislative, and Executive.<BR/><BR/>The office of the Vice President's role in the senate is symbolic. <BR/><BR/>But the office of the vice president, under Dick Cheney - clearly stepped on the Judiciary - the Legislative and vastly expanded the powers of the executive.<BR/><BR/>There is a Frontline/Nova Special on this called "Dark Side" based on a quote by Dick Cheney that said "We will need to walk on the dark side"<BR/>(ibid)<BR/><BR/>Look it up. Biden correctly answered the question. Palin got it wrong. <BR/><BR/>And further, if you were asking me to vote with anyone who is agreeing with Dick Cheney - look, I am not trying to browbeat you , but seriously. That's the last thing our country needs right now.<BR/><BR/>Here's the link to the special on Cheney . Type in "Dick Cheney" or "The Dark Side" such as the like. You'll find it.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.pbs.org/frontline<BR/><BR/>Thanks for a good post. No problems with republicans. But if you're a Bush republican ... well thats another story. <BR/><BR/>Since you can actually write, I am thinking you might not be a bush republican. <BR/><BR/>But Sarah Palin is a Bush Republican.<BR/><BR/>I am a Democrat.turnerBroadcastinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09966930351554884742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11602875.post-56968416805675483002008-10-02T23:48:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:48:00.000-04:00PRESIDENT of the SENATE!!!! That is what the Cons...PRESIDENT of the SENATE!!!! That is what the Constitution says about the VP in the part of the Constitution discussing legislative authority.... <BR/><BR/>Just trying to educate you. Palin was spot on. Biden was dead wrong on what you say is the "most difficult question of the debate." It wasn't precise or careful. <BR/><BR/>I am a Republican but I'm right, at least one this one. Look it up and get back to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11602875.post-70127813986674882782008-10-02T23:42:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:42:00.000-04:00Being president means executive power, but expandi...Being president means executive power, but expanding the powers of the office of the vice president is in direct contradiction to that constitutional definition.<BR/><BR/>Bush was such a weak president, that Cheney chose to expand the role of the VP. And did so, creating a "CEO" position for America. <BR/><BR/>Which, I guess, if you're a bush republican, is something you like.<BR/><BR/>Not me. He addressed the most difficult question of the debate carefully and precisely. <BR/><BR/>In fact, I can't understand why you're talking about the office of the Vice President, as if its the president?<BR/><BR/>Is it because your candidate is so old?turnerBroadcastinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09966930351554884742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11602875.post-10690440815240071612008-10-02T23:36:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:36:00.000-04:00Do me a favor. Read Article I and then go back an...Do me a favor. Read Article I and then go back and see what Biden said and what Palin said. Article I defines the legislature's powers, not the executive's. Biden = Wrong. It specifically says that the VP is President of the Senate but only VOTES when there is a tie. Any lawyer worth his salt can tell you that being President means something other than voting in a tie. It doesn't say what, thus flexibility as Palin suggested. The funniest thing about Biden being fundamentally wrong while lecturing Palin is that he has been in the SENATE for like 30 years AND is running for Vice President. First of all, he should know this stuff. Second, he shouldn't lecture if he doesn't have a clue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com